Paper Space III

Discussion (18)

  1. d

    Next you’ll tell us he doesn’t lock his viewports…

  2. RamaFan

    I can’t think of of a more frustrating thing. I’m always thinking…’How do you get anything out?! How is this ever built?!’

  3. K

    I have suffered many hours fixing other people’s drawings due to sloppiness & error. I would rather people draw things correctly then do a poor job to get it done quickly. Eventually people move on, and the company is stuck with mediocre drawings that need to be fixed. It’s beyond frustrating and a huge hit to profitability.

  4. Tony

    I am right there with you all. I work in a design office of a cemetery company (yes a cemetery with a full in-house design team). I have guys in my office who refuse to draw anything full scale in model space, have no concept of office standards, no compromise on a single text font, and the worst culprit designs cemetery units that are too small to use (like they cannot be used for the intended purpose). The bulk of my day is spent correcting mistakes and redlining drawings. I hardly have time to work on my own projects. End rant.

  5. Random Architect

    I worked with a guy once who manually entered all of his dimensions, as in, instead of using any of the dimensioning commands, he would draw the dimension lines and put a text box over the line to manually type the dimension. Of course, then he’d stretch and move things, and forget to update his manual dimensions, and everything would be all wrong. No matter how many times we tried to teach him to use proper dimension commands he’d keep doing it wrong.

    • Tim

      I have worked on a one where some of the dimension were like this. I figured to ‘make it work’ they just exploded the dimension and then edited the text. This was about 15 years ago.

  6. SMF

    I personally do not put any text in the model space other than room names. I believe Dims are not part of the model. They are part of the sheet information for that particular aspect (Construction plan, enlarged plan, RCP, etc.) the model is a part of. But I can see it both ways. Layers are a BIG sticking point to me. I will spend a butt load of time “fixing” the layers before I even start the design.

    But my biggest peeve is what “d” said, if I have said it once I have said it a million time “LOCK THE DAMN VIEW PORTS”!

    • joearch

      SMF: in that case, you should have your model as a separate file and do your text in the model space of the sheet file…

    • CADirk

      Using the modelspace for the actual model (or plan, site, objects of choice) and using the paperspace for annotations, dimensions etc. is my preferred way of working. It saves a lot of time and re-drawing bits. Next to that, you can have a full floorplan and if you want some details or callouts, you simply create a new viewport, give it the correct scale/zoomfactor and dimension everything you want.
      No loose details that don’t update with other bits of your drawing, because all you reference to is the same plan or section in full view and details.
      I do support strict adherence to office standards when it comes to layers, linetypes, hatches and colors. (Basically antything that is’t “bylayer” on all bits will be commented on.)

    • joearch

      CADirk: that’s why god created x-refs…

    • RamaFan

      If you work in AutoCAD Architecture like we do (and I know ‘you need to switch to Revit…blah blah blah’) then it actually wants you to use a construct plan with only the model information xref’ed into a view file that you put text in that’s then xref’ed into a sheet file.

      I was resistant to having separate view and sheet files at first cause it’s another layer of drawings to corrupt (do you remember when drawings would corrupt themselves often) but it actually works out well when you have things you need to move from one sheet to another.

  7. SMF

    Oh, and what the heck is up with schools now telling kids not to use leaders but to overlap the keynote on top of items?

    “Sorry I couldn’t tell what you drew there, it’s buried under keynotes”

  8. Guy Smiley

    If my drafting staff did half the idiocy listed above they’d be replaced within a week… there’s too many unemployed, talented draftspeople out there right now to waste time fixing what should have been done right the first time.

    • jenn

      YES! Why do they hold on to losers?

  9. KeeperOfTheFour

    I started working at a firm once only to realize nobody there knew what paper space even was. A sheet was set up at a scale (different title blocks for different scaled sheets) and if you wanted to put a different scaled drawing (say a detail) on a sheet you had to xref the detail in and scale it down or up so that it showed up larger or smaller on the sheet (again the sheet and all printing was done in model space). Try figuring out the scale factor to put a 1 ½” = 1’-0” detail on a 3/8”=1’-0” page. It took great tact to be the new guy and let everyone know they were doing things about the worst way possible.

  10. jenn

    The Peter I know hasn’t taken a Revit class yet, despite the fact that everyone else in the office is using it. He’s going to be SHOCKED when he’s let go.

  11. Phlox

    Please, lock the viewport, and don’t use it again. Label, dimension, and turn off layers in model space of the sheet, not through the viewport. If you can’t tell where the viewport limits are, use the (load “mvwgde”) command. Being lazy is risky. First company I worked for terminated a guy who worked through the viewport, zoomed, and forgot it until the contractor built everything at 3/4 scale by scaling off the drawing. The specs said not to, but the court system sided with the contractor. Then there was the contractor who built a concrete triangle in the woods because he didn’t realize that was the north arrow symbol, but that’s a different story. I go pale when I open a drawing with a viewport activated in model space. Fear the viewport.

  12. Central Standard

    I am working as the only architect at a company (not mine) where the drafter does not understand you can turn layers on / off / change line weights via paper space. He goes back to the x-ref to change things to fit the plan he is working on.

    I have talked to him three times now and thinks the best way to handle the situation is to set up a separate plot file for each sheet.

    I am too old for this…